Monday, November 27, 2006

more on ex-mo and post-mo

I’m not done talking about the label ex-Mormon. I’m uncomfortable with ex-Mormon, and I’m trying to figure out why. I already said that it defines me by who I’m not rather than who I am. That’s a problem. CL Hanson took issue with my quote comparing labeling oneself as ex-Mormon to labeling oneself ex-girlfriend, and I think she has a good point. Being an ex-Mormon is so much more than an ex-girlfriend. Does ex-wife work better? I don’t know. Only in the sense of it being a transitional identity: If I were an ex-wife, I wouldn’t want to be telling people for the rest of my life that I’m Mr. X’s ex-wife, would I? (Especially if there were bad feelings there.) But even if I didn’t tell people that, would I still think of myself as an ex-wife? Forever?

Or would I want to identify as something that defines me by me, and not in relation to someone else? But then we are never individuals in vacuums, are we? We are people always in relation to others and to things or ideas. But we usually define ourselves by who we are, not by who we once were. I don’t say, “I’m a BYU alum,” or “I’m an ex-resident of Utah,” or “I’m an ex-girl scout.” No, I say what I am now (which I won’t list for privacy sake).

But as far as my relationship to Mormonism goes, I’m an ex-Mormon. I imagine everyone uses it differently, even among those of us who self-identify as such. I’d just as easily say former Mormon. I don’t use post-Mormon, but I’m not exactly sure why. Maybe part of it is that some people who use it use it in opposition to ex-Mormon, and put post-Mormons in a better place than ex-Mormons. Like they are on a continuum, and a post-Mormon is a better-adjusted person. They’ve moved on with their lives. But have I not? Sure, I talk to death my experience with leaving, but only here and with a few fellow former Mormons. The rest of me and my life continues on well, and most people have no idea about my past.

I also feel like some people who claim a post-Mormon state do so a bit self-righteously or judgmentally. “I didn’t go through an angry phase, I didn’t rant and rave, I don’t think the church is a horrible institution. What’s these ex-mos problem?” I wonder if people who adjust easily do so because of their different circumstances, like no mission, no spouse still in, no hard-core TBM childhood, no significant hours put into the church, no strong commitment, no great emotional investment. I could be way off, I don’t know. Certainly there are people who self-identify as postmo who had invested a great deal in the church—but did any of them not go through an angry, emotional place? Is it fair to say that the more you invested the harder it was to recover? This could be any type of investment—money, time, service, emotions, callings, life changes. People who got baptized, came a few weeks, then quit—probably not much recovery time required. People who were born in, went on missions, converted others, etc.—harder recovery time. I think that’s safe to say. If that second person claims to have an easier recovery than the first, he’s deluding himself.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Funny, isn't it. I know in one of your other posts, you had mentioned losing your belief in Christ, etc. Why not be an ex-Christian? Yeah, it sounds weird. So, why do we define ourselves as ex-Mormons? And, yes, if you were divorced, you would always think of yourself as Mr. X's ex. I still do anyway. So much of what happened during my marriage affects who I am today. I am who I am because of it all.

For me, I can't really hide the x-Mormon thing, because I have 5 children. It's so obvious. I don't volunteer that I was Mormon, but it almost always comes up. Just as the fact that I'm a single mom comes up. I also clarify that my 5 children are all from the same father to eliminate the "ho" factor.

I think the ex-Mormon title is just a catch all. There is no way we're going to sit there and explain it for twelve hours - and you know what I mean when I say it takes that long to explain. That's why I don't. "It just didn't work out." Or "I couldn't live all those rules anymore." Anytime I try to explain, I leave myself open for lecture by Mormons. The non-Mormons don't need explanations. That's a blog in-and-of-itself, now, isn't it.

Anonymous said...

Sure, I talk to death my experience with leaving, but only here and with a few fellow former Mormons. The rest of me and my life continues on well, and most people have no idea about my past.

I think that sounds about right for where I'm at as well. If we didn't live in Utah or near mormon relatives it would be even less an issue.

I definitely think those born into the church and that attended regularly have a tougher time dealing with it. They are justifiably angry at first and maybe even for a while. Those who converted seem to go back to what they believed before, though that isn't always the case.

Anonymous said...

I never call myself an "ex-mormon" because I don't want to identify with mormonism at all. If the subject ever comes up, I stress that my *family* is mormon and I am not. I want to distance myself from it as much as possible.

from the ashes said...

cw- That's what I do too, except online.

jer- Yup, if I was in Utah, it'd be different.

poker- thanks for your thoughts. And did you see the Tournament of Champions last night?

Anonymous said...

No, I didn't. Most of the time there is some kind of poker on in the background (the boyfriend likes to watch), but they edit those things so much, it is hard for me to watch, because the crap hands are what swing the game, in my opinion.

Besides, I was stuck doing son's homework with him for 3 hours. What Social Studies teacher gives a 180 question final study guide? I'm crabby & exhausted this morning. :)

Rebecca said...

Nope - not true. I was raised in a fairly hardcore Mormon family, I did all the Mormon stuff, I was way active and believed it completely. And I had very little anger and not much emotional stuff to go through. I think my subconscious had been wading through it LONG before I left, but when I did leave it was a just a lightbulb, and that was it. I had less trouble dealing with it than anyone I know. And I was all in. Maybe I'm the exception, but in my case, your generalization doesn't apply. And if I'm being totally honest, I think that sort of all-or-nothing generalization is unfair.

from the ashes said...

Rebecca- All right, someone disagreeing with me! Thanks for being totally honest, it helps create a dialogue, which helps me rethink and recreate my thoughts.

I know some people have an easier adjustment, even people who were hardcore in. I hate it when people say, "Well, she left, but she never really believed, she never really had a testimony in the first place." That's not what I mean. (But maybe someone who was hardcore in, AND served a mission, AND was RS pres, AND baptized three kids into the church, AND divorced her husband because he left the church--perhaps you can predict a harder adjustment?)

I am just frustrated by people who then take a self-righteous attitude about it, that they are somehow better than people who do have a hard adjustment. And I don't think you are one of those.

You are right that generalizations don't work; there are always exceptions, and a lot of the time, generalizations are just wrong. But notice the two people I compared: someone who spent a few weeks in the church, and someone who spend a half a lifetime in the church. I went so extreme so that a generalization could better apply.

It's definitely useless to try to rank us. MsX spent 10 years in therapy, so she had the strongest testimony; MrY got hard core into drugs and prostitution, so he must've been a bishop; and MsZ just saw the light and never looked back, so she must've been a Jack Mormon at heart. No. That's ridiculous. What I was trying to work through (I wrote that entry totally journal-style, with no re-thinking or editing, to try to figure out what I thought) was the "I'm better than you" attitude that some of these labels seem to present to me. (And I'm sorry if I therefore presented myself as "better than you." I didn't mean to.)

Rebecca said...

I didn't think you were being all holier-than-thou -- I get what you mean now that you've explained it more. And sure, I think most people who were born-in, served intense callings, missions, temple marriages, baptized kids, etc. probably are more apt to have a hard time leaving - they have more invested. Although I was a lifer, I didn't have a marriage, kids, or two years of full-time service invested in it.

I do know at least one other person who was born-in, was super-active, as-Mormon-as-they-get who didn't have as much trouble leaving as most people. She also didn't do the mission/marriage/kids thing. But she and I were both almost as Mormon as they get - she more than I, and she left a lot sooner. Maybe it's a matter of temperament. Maybe not. Who knows. I will admit that of all the people I know, I maybe had the EASIEST time leaving (at least if the content of blog posts is any indication). Does that make me better than the rest of you? Probably, but I was better anyway.

Or, you know, maybe not. I actually KIND OF envy those who have such an emotional journey leaving The Church (insert ominous music here). I feel like losing something that defined so much of my life should mean more than it does - that it SHOULD be harder. All I can think of is that you people are probably just more self-aware than I am -- you saw the problems and worked them out CONSCIOUSLY, while all the sorting was done in my subconscious without ME knowing about it.

Then there's my mom - she converted at 20 and she's as crazy-Mormon as they get. Besides Mormonism (where she follows BLINDLY) she's a very independent person. Kind of TOO independent - she really just does what she wants to do regardless of how much it inconveniences other people. Nothing fazes her. NOTHING. Except anything to do with The Church. Although she spent the first 20 years NOT Mormon, I know she'd have a TERRIBLY tough time if she discovered none of it is true. So there you go - one born-in (although no real investments, besides my ETERNAL SOUL!!!) who had very little trouble leaving, and one convert who would be devastated. I know these aren't the total extremes you're using, but they're certainly on different ends.

What's my point? I'm pretty sure I have none. I'm just posting a sickeningly long comment in which "devastated" is possibly misspelled. It looks wrong to me, but I don't want to go check, and it looks more right than "devestated."

from the ashes said...

Rebecca- I'm sure personality and temperament play into it as well. Also tendency toward depression, social style, coping styles, etc. Everyone is different about their leaving, but there are some commonalities, and therefore some trends.

I learned recently about two coping styles calling "monitoring" and "blunting." It was specifically with health information, but it had broader application too. Monitors want as much information as possible, to horrifying detail, about, say, breast cancer risk. Blunters want as little info as possible, and the less detailed and horrifying the info, the more likely they are to act (get a mammogram). I wonder if some of this plays into some people "not wanting to know" about the church. I'll have to think about that more.

Rebecca said...

Maybe - but if I'm reading correctly you're saying that, for blunters, less information means more of a willingness to act. It seems like the people who don't want to know about Mormonism are NOT acting. Well, it depends on how you look at it, I suppose, but in the context of leaving The Church, they're not acting. They don't want to know so they don't have to deal with any of it. My sister actually said to me "I appreciate you not telling me what made you leave, because you know I don't want to know." I'm quite sure she meant that she was grateful to me for not trying to "undermine" her testimony, but come ON - she's telling me, plain as day, that the information I have COULD shake her testimony -- and shouldn't that be a clue that she maybe SHOULD hear it? She (as well as my mom and lots and lots of others) just don't want the gory details so they never have to act on the info.

from the ashes said...

Rebecca- Good point; they don't want to know so they don't have to act. Must not apply well here.

It is sooo frustrating that people realize information could shake their testimonies, and therefore avoid it. If the truth about Mormonism hurts Mormonism, doesn't that mean something?!