Thursday, January 11, 2007

"I understand you more than you think"

I recently visited members of my family as well as my husband's family in Utah. I haven't posted much about the visits partly because I'm still processing my interactions with them, and partly because I'm still negotiating with myself what to reveal and what to keep to myself, for the sake of both my anonymity and their privacy. But there is one conversation I know I want to write about, for multiple reasons. It frustrated me; I need to process it and I do that best in writing rather than in my head; and there are things I wish I had said but didn't. I didn't say those things partly because I didn't think of them at the time; I'm not a good spur-of-the-moment speaker, and I do my better thinking when I can go rethink, edit, mull it over and come back. Partly, I didn't say those things because I haven't yet figured out how much I want to say to my Mormon relatives. It's all a process of figuring out when to keep silent, when to speak up, and when to take a stand.

I can't recall the whole conversation or the order of it, but here are the highlights as I remember them. In this conversation with a brother-in-law, he told me I make a bigger deal out of "it" than is warranted. No one thinks about it anymore, or at least not very much, he said, so there's no need for me to make a big deal. I asked him in what way I make a big deal out of it. He claimed that through observation (though I'd spend only about 10 minutes total with him all week) he'd noticed that every time I have a conversation with his wife, the talk steers toward Mormonism, and I'm the one who brings it up. (Note that he brought up Mormonism in this conversation.) Through our talking, I figured out that he and his wife think I bring it up becuase I'm trying to convince them of something, that I think they need to understand me better. Oddly, this is the opposite of why I bring it up: I do because I can with them. They are more understanding already, which is why I feel free to bring it up. I am comfortable with them. Apparently, they are not comfortable with me.

I argued with him that maybe the siblings don't care much, but our mutual parents-in-law do. My mother-in-law couldn't even force herself to bring it up for several months. What is more, when I was TBM, she confided in me her desires and motives regarding her Jack-Mormon son's children--trying to get them blessed as babies, getting them to Cub Scouts at the ward, inviting them to church to get them exposed to the Truth. This was, of course, motivated by the goodness of her heart and genuine concern for the welfare of their souls, but at the same time manipulative, subversive, and religiously arrogant. I told him that, if not in so many words. I assume she has done or will do the same kind of talking and planning behind our backs.

I told him how our father-in-law has never said a word about it, which he explained away as father-in-law's way of dealing with conflict. Hole himself up in his room and ignore it. I hear that he figures he can't convince us to change our minds, so why try?

I told him it is a big deal that our one remaining bachelor brother-in-law will get married in the temple and we will be excluded. "I know 'they' see it differently; 'they' see it as us excluding ourselves," I said, "but we see it as being excluded. It would be a compromise of my integrity and conscience to toe the line and get a temple recommend to go. I can't do that, as bad as I want to be there for the wedding, I can't."

He countered, "So if he wants to get married in the temple, let him. So what? You can't stop him."

"Of course I wouldn't try to stop him. That's his choice. If that's what he wants, so be it. But he should also recognize that none of his brothers or sisters-in-law will be there. That's important. He should do his temple thing, but he should also have a ceremony outside, one that's more than a cursory nod towards his 'non-worthy' friends and family. Make it big, like a real wedding, walking down the aisle, the whole thing." He seemed to see I had a point. But then, I was talking to a guy that cleaned up his act just long enough to get married in the temple, excluding all his siblings from the ceremony, then promptly "lost" his recommend.

After complaining more about my family's reactions, he asked, "So what do you want them to do?" I didn't really know; I couldn't really explain. What is the best route? Who knows? I'm sick of them ignoring it, but at least that's better than them calling me to repentance or banishing me from their houses.

He continued, "Who cares what they think? People don't understand me. I don't care. I don't have to be understood. I'd rather be left alone."

"Then we're very different on that point," I said. "I've always had the desire to be understood, long before this whole thing. I hate that they don't understand me." It's one of the most tragic things of this, that my family doesn't understand me, and likely never will.

"Give them more credit," he said. "I bet they understand more than you give them credit for. I understand you more than you think. You didn't know me in my party days. I drank, I had sex with girls, I did drugs, I didn't have anything to do with the church. So I understand."

At that moment is was clear to me that he did not understand me. "But I never did any of those things!" I protested. "This isn't about practice, this is about belief. I stopped believing. I don't believe it. I can't go back to believing it. It's gone." Practice, as exemplified so easily and readily in beer-drinking and levels of church attendance, is so completely secondary to belief.

While I couldn't express it then, I see a profound difference between him and me. He is comfortable having a beer now and then, doesn't "want a 70-year-old to tell [him] what to do," and only attends church when he feels like it--all the while feeling guilty for it, and figuring that some day he'll repent. He's a soft-believer, a cafeteria Mormon, one who protests that the community judges him for skipping church but still accepts that the bishop holds the power to decide whether or not he'll see his brother-in-law's wedding. Yes, he will also miss the wedding, but it will be because he drinks sometimes and doesn't attend church enough weeks out of the month.

As for me, I won't attend because I cannot believe its origin claims, its claims to divine connection. I won't attend because I cannot give money to an institution that I find more harmful than good. Because I believe two men going down a checklist of do's and don't's have no right to determine my "worthiness" to see a family member's wedding. Because I am vilified by the church as being prideful, misguided, lost, dark, ignorant, sinful, unworthy, apostate. Because the church glosses over and explains away problems, injustices, and downright sickening actions and policies instead of either 1) not making them in the first place (isn't God supposed to be guiding them here?) or 2) acknowledging, apologizing, and correcting.

And while I want very much to be a part of that future wedding, all those future weddings of nieces and nephews, friends and cousins, I cannot. Why? Because I am making a stand for what I believe is right. He just can't give up his beer and get his ass out of bed on Sunday morning.

I'm sorry, man, you don't understand me. And you know what? I don't understand you, either.

10 comments:

Threads of the Divine said...

I really apreciated this post. In a way, your brother in law is just like every other believing member out there that thinks they understand what our experience has been. He may be an extreme case, but I get the feeling that bishops and other leaders think they understand what we are going through and that they relate. It's been my experience that they tend to compartmentalize and minimalize no longer believing and then concentrate on our current practices or the lack thereof as if they are the source of our non belief. It's frustrating when people say they know and relate but don't ever really get it.

from the ashes said...

Exactly. The stereotype is to think people "mis-practiced" first, then unbelief followed. For some, this is probably true. The church, in fact, teaches this in its "Sunday school answers" of go to church, read your scriptures, say your prayers--as if this will create belief. They think, therefore, that failing to do these things creates unbelief.

This was not so for me. I did all those things up until I stopped believing; only then did I stopped doing them.

I saw on a MAD thread the other day (why, oh, why do I ever go there?) someone's comment that "apostates sin, then try to find garbage against JS to try to justify their sins and apostasy." Hello? I don't know a single person that followed that pattern.

Anonymous said...

I know several people who have followed that pattern and readily admit it. It has been hard for me not to feel the same level of scorn for them that TBMs feel. To the extent that I've been able to rise above that feeling (just a teensy bit, I could still use some work), it has begun to bother me less that I get inaccurately lumped into the change-practices-before-beliefs category.

Anonymous said...

Yikes. That's heavy stuff. My take is pretty much the same... trying to make anyone understand just isn't going to happen. Plus it opens up the door for them to "validate" your beliefs. I don't care, as long as they don't cram it down my throat. I'm the opposite, I suppose. I'd just as soon the subject DIDN'T come up. Going to my nephew's b-day party tomorrow night. The whole fam-damnly is TBM. I've pulled away for about 6 months from all of them so they'd shut up. Let's see if they behave.

Sideon said...

I admire your honesty and integrity, Ashes.

Wonderful post.

HiveRadical said...

"What a laugh, though. To think that one human being could ever really know another. You could get used to each other, get so habituated that you could speak their words right along with them, but you never knew why other people said what they did, because they never even knew themselves. Nobody understands anybody.
And yet somehow we live together, mostly in peace, and get things done with a high enough success rate that people keep trying. Human beings get married and a lot of marriages work, and they have children and most of them grow up to be decent people, and they have schools and businesses and factories and farms that have results at some level of acceptability—all without having a clue what’s going on inside anybody’s head.
Muddling through, that’s what human beings do."


-Beans thoughts, Shadow of the Hedgemon, Orson Scott Card


As a "TBM" do any of you really know me?

HiveRadical said...

More accurately, can any of you ever know me?

from the ashes said...

beijing- It takes all kinds; and it's best that we always are self-reflexive about our thinking and assumptions. It's not so much the change-practices-before-beliefs people that I don't understand; it's the change-practices-but-keep-beliefs type. I'm just not that type of person.

Hive- Bean is one of my favorite characters, and that's a great quote. People don't really understand each other. The use of "Exmo" and "TBM" etc are of course just shorthand and do not accurately describe any one person. I still think they are useful, though. But I wouldn't have pegged you as a TBM. Believer, yes, but not TBM. Liberal Mormon, maybe, is the category I would use. As much as we all hate to be categorized...

HiveRadical said...

I find your assessment of my self interesting and amusing. I don't mind it. I wouldn't agree with it. But I don't mind it.

Reminds me of a professor I had, a man natively from one of the '-istan's in central asia. He taught political science courses on that region and the middle east. He was ever so set on no one ever boxing him into any kind of a box. He would not fit. Yet he was ready and willing to create boxes for others. I see such categorizations as inherent to our natures. It's important we keep them in perspective, but they are inevitable for individuals of finite capacity.

The capartment I would fit myself in, ironically in light of your estimation, would be at the other end of the spectrum. But then it's kind of hard to be ultra orthodox in a religion who's orthodoxy is adherence to revelation and ever increasing nuance and detail with each new revealed principle.

I find the proposal by President Young, about having an eternity of cats to be let out of the bag, to be both exciting and potentially unnerving. I see how hard it is for ANYONE to change and I hope I can be flexible enough for what will come AND capable of properly discerning such.

I really like Brigham Youngs plea of "away with stereotypical mormons!" So I'll take your categorization of myself, however precursory or exception filled, as a compliment.

Granted such a view has me with a view of yourself as not being as much a non-believer as you claim to be. But that's just my weak 'perception.' Neither am I trying to box you in or in anyway say I know you or what exactly you do or don't believe.

I enjoy your blog and the conversation, and the willingness, at present, to allow my digital feeds to your blog to remain welcome.

from the ashes said...

It's amazing how little we can really understand of each other IRL, and how ever less we can know from a few posts...

I called you a liberal Mormon in this sense: You are willing to read blogs such as mine.

My archetypal "TBM" I refer to on my blog is really the old version of me. So when I say I wouldn't peg you as TBM, I really mean, "as I TBM, I would have never read anything written by an exmo."

As for me being not so much a non-believer as I claim: Interesting. I am, indeed, as non-believing as they come. No God (but believing in one can be okay), no afterlife; JS was fooling everyone, including, probably, himself. The church as institution creates more harm than good. Thus is my anti-testimony.

Yet I have a goal (as of yet unattained) to be able to speak about Mormonism is a respectful, even if non-believing, manner, and to appreciate the good aspects it has brought to my life. But for now, I honestly can't see them.

I'm curious: Is there anything specific that makes you perceive I'm a semi-believer?